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's leadership. then came president obama's election in 2008. health care reform igniting the tea party movement and then demint quickly became a leader and re hetorical flamethrower. >> if we're able to stop obama on this, it will be his waterloo. >> but demint had no significant legislative impact or victories regularly bucking the republican establishment, supporting senate candidates close to his own view of conservatism with, of course, mixed success. >> i've been criticized by some of my republican colleagues for saying i'd rather have 30 republicans in the senate who believe in the principles of freedom than 60 who don't believe in anything. >> he was an early supporter of florida senator marco rubio. now the gop star, incoming senator cruz who tells mike lee all on the demint list. while 15 won primaries just seven are united states senators today. many party leaders, in fact, blame demint for high-profile senate losses in indiana, delaware, colorado and nevada and in a statement made yesterday minority leader mitch mcconnell said this. i thank senator demint for his uncompromising servi
as far as that road that is concerned whether it is the road map to elections as the ambassador was speaking to or a road map for the negotiations between the various disaffected elements in the north of bahrain to renounce violence and engage in an negotiations process. obviously if we get to a point of elections being held and being able to resume assistance with the forces, that will be an important step forward for the united states to be able to directly help the malian forces in addition to other contributing countries. european union, france, others have already begun to really engage with the malian forces, so it isn't as if there is an abstinence of support for them in the intervening period. >> what lessons have we learned, if i might, ms. dory and mr. gast, i think the mission just celebrated the 50th anniversary. we were actively engaged in the training a good thing as a part of the very probably democracy support and in trying to create and sustain a cultural democracy what lessons are there that we might learn going forward about political failures and more on dome
to win the presidentee again, george w. bush was really a recluse. i think now that the election is over the republicans lost. he wants to have a role in one of his causes. immigration is a passion he shares with his brother jeb, former governor of florida who is thinking of his own political future and possibly a white house run and wants to help in the reset of the republican party which will include taking a serious look at actually finally engaging on immigration reform. jon: fair to say hispanics did not exactly flock to mitt romney this time around. george w. bush did pretty well with them both four years ago and eight years ago. >> reporter: very well, he got about 41% in his last election, that is a number republicans are going to have to meet in order to win the demographics of a presidential run and get a coalition that gets you the map to win the white house. 71-27, which it was this time is not going to get you the white house. you have to be upwards of 40%, possibly in future years higher than that. and george bush, with his compassionate conservatism, his texas heritage, th
and treasury secretary timothy geithner. >> we are flabbergasted. we have seven weeks between election day in the end of the year. three of those weeks have been wasted. >> we are not going to extend an extension of the tax rates. we think they need to go back to those levels. if you don't do that, you have to ask yourself, whose taxes are we going to raise? were we going to find the money bring a balanced plan in place? jenna: senator lindsey graham, a republican known for reaching across the aisle, not looking at this with a great deal of optimism. >> i think we're going over the fiscal cliff. it's pretty clear that they have made this happen. they are not saving social security and medicare and medicaid from imminent bankruptcy. jenna: james is live in washington with more. reporter: yes, what is clear is increasingly, the two sides -- the obama, white house, senate democrats on one side, senate republicans on the other, there is a ticking clock involved here. they should be hitting their stride right about now. timothy geithner is trying to avoid plunging of the fiscal cliff. he has ma
of his re-election and the fact he campaigned the issue at the core of these negotiations, raising rates on high income. this report i don't see as changing the dynamic much at all. it was one of these reports that both side could and did day care from it what they wanted to. even at 146,000, that's not at a level high enough to be bringing back into employment a lot of people that lost their jobs. gwen: there's a public dynamic, which we just say -- saw, the president and speaker. then we hope, we assume, they're a private dynamic going on. what do we know about that? >> if you talk to the speaker of the house and his statue they say there are negotiations going on between the speaker and the president. on thursday the staffs met and hashed some things out. i'm told they're going to continue talks through the weekend now, so there's something going on here behind the scenes. what we don't know but publicly they continue to fire off artillery barrageses. part of it is they can't admit they have a deal until they have one nailed down. what's been fascinating is to watch how quickly the d
is simply a process. you had an election. he took a bow for their own enslavement and often do. people forget this. they think world for freedom. i'm sorry, but there's a constituency that is per submission. this is a site goes fact of life that is not fully appreciated. in the west. so how do you go about it? to distinguish between democracy and liberalism and you try as best you can to promote the spirit of liberalism, even if it is procedurally at the expense of the brotherhood. >> your response to that? >> i'm listening to this discussion which i enjoy thoroughly, but my mind as to how we do this. and i would throw home one point that i'm trying to stress here that i may agree or disagree with some of the things said. the problem in washington is you look at the democracy, freedom and liberal promotion mechanisms we have. they're actually not as nimble as they need to be. i look at benghazi and answers questions about the talking points, but the bigger policy deployed when he set up is how do we influence the next faith? ambassador chris stevens who is killed to honor his memory. r
just lost re-election and the eight or so seats. on the other hand, he still has a very diverse caucus in terms of ideology and it's going to be very difficult. you'll notice in hiss comments he didn't say no to 37%. that said, if he agreed to 37% and he's basically bilateral talks with the president, who says the kwaux is going to approve that. he could end up with a lot of egg on his face if he agrees with the president on this, they go forward with the vote, and it doesn't pass. >> david, the office of management and budget, omb, asking government agencies to figure out what they would cut if we do go over this fiscal cliff. talking a trillion dollars in cuts over ten years. that would mean furloughs for some federal workers, slower hiring, outside contracting, the closer we get to the cliff, the more real it begins to seem. how does that then change the negotiations? >> well, i think it's all part of the political pressure the white house is trying to apply to the congressional republicans. we saw the same thing in '11 when we had the near government shutdown and the dispute over t
's going on in this town. >> after the election of jimmy carter, he went to washington, d.c. and came back home with some bacon. >> that's right. >> that's what you do. >> the fact is this president basically i don't think wants to work with congress. >> we do not have a taxation problem. we've got a wildly out of control spending problem. >> i'll be here, and i'll be available any moment. >> we believe that despite obvious resistance to what has to be the framework of a deal here, that progress is being made. >> all of this is smoke and mirrors. all of this deficit reduction stuff, there isn't any. there aren't any spending cuts. >> greta: while democrats and republicans fight it out, the nation is waiting and waiting and waiting and suffering as they wait. former new york city mayor rudy guiliani joins us. good evening, mayor. >> how will this unravel? >> if you take them at their word, it sounds like the president is anxious to go over the fiscal cliff, and he leaves very little room for republicans to negotiate with him with a 1.7 trillion dollar tax increase, 50 billion more in stimul
on the egyptian elections. >> good morning everyone. thank you, bob, for that introduction and thank you all of you for coming out early this morning for what i think will be a lively debate. we are going to be asking the question if democracy is to triumph in the middle east, victories at the ballot box are inavoidable and essential. this is the motion we will be debating in the intelligence-squared format per requests from our panelists who have done this once already -- they have had a practice round. they have not had a chance of doing this, but i suspect, had probably had several scotches and talked about ways to defeat their foes. we know that this is a time of revolution in the middle east. it started with a fruit sell seller in tunisia and toppled a 230-year dictator that spread to egypt and the egyptian revolution was concern to the united states. egypt has long held incredible importance to u.s. policy in the middle east. the u.s. reaction to that revolution was unclear. there were some that said this was a good thing that this would only lead to democracy. there were others who in
on that story, thanks so much. >> in the meantime, new developments on the bloody civil war going on. electing a new military commander, in the meantime, meanwhile, rather, security officials from the u.s., britain, chance and the gulf region talks answered at the conflict in trying syria apart days before the conflict of the friends of syria meeting, a grouping of dozens of countries pledging nonmilitary support to help rebels out. and-- president obama asking congress for more than 60 billion dollars to help east coast states recover from the devastation of superstorm sandy. while lawmakers in new york and new jersey call it a good start. they add, it won't cover everything. peter doocy live with details. >> kelly, new york governor. rather new jersey governor chris christie and andrew cuomo initially asked washington for about 79 billion dollars to rebuild their states and they are now thanking the president for his 60.4 billion dollars commitment and the white house wrote a letter to congress yesterday that says these are funds necessary to finance a needed recovery effort and to help the
economy and those seeking work. i came out the day after the election to put revenues on the table, to take a step toward the president to try to resolve this. when is he going to take a step towards us? >> can you see some way that you could agree to tax rate increase and protect small businesses at the same time, maybe going with the 37%, or some middle ground? >> there are a lot of things that are possible to put the revenue that the president seeks on the table, but none of it is going to be possible. if the president insists on his position, insists on my way or the highway. that is not the way to get to an agreement that i think is important for the american people and very important for our economy. thanks. >> reporter: for more on the fiscal cliff let's bring in bob sue sack, managing editor of the hill. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me on. >> reporter: he says this is a slow walk for our economy to the edge of the fiscal cliff, and if the president doesn't like the republican's plan he has an obligation to send them one that can pass both houses of congress a
the fiscal cliff. right after the election wall street dropped 5% when everybody suddenly focused on the fiscal cliff and realized that this was a problem. but since then it's kind of bumped along at this sort of level. i don't think wall street is at all sanguine about the idea that if we went over the fiscal cliff, life would go on as we know it and everything would be fine. >> one of the things that was really interesting to me to bear out that point is ken conrad yesterday who's been so down, i mean, he's leaving the senate. he's done this for seven years. they can't produce deals. and yesterday when i interviewed him, joe, he said i think we're going to make this. i think the boehner offer had significant indicators that something here is going on, and they're going to come together. >> also, kent conrad, a guy -- i've loved him for a long time, deficit hawk. they haven't allowed him to put a budget out for years. he's growing frustrated. i'm sure he's going to be glad to leave. but i was surprised by that as well. you see also, sam stein, republicans are now starting to real
at that time. the republicans held a lot of the cards. this time it's very different. president came off the re-election. that's why you see the president holding the hard line. a lot of pressure on the president to hold his hard line even from his left. i think you'll continue to seat president do so. it's going to be up to the republicans to feel whether he has enough pressure, i think the white house is encouraged that some republicans have broken ranks and are starting to say let's look at other opportunities to maybe raise rates. >> we'll talk about the ultimate in breaking ranks if you will. molly, i want to ask you about the surprising resignation of tea party favorite jim demint. it seems kind of sudden. why now? >> everybody was surprised about this. but i seems in the aftermath of the election the republicans are still in the minority of the senate. demint was in the minority of the minority. that's not a very powerful place to be. demint always known as a bomb thrower, someone who liked to make trouble. he figured he's probably correct about this he could have more power and influence and be
debate over whether government bailouts can be bought with political report in an election. a detroit lawmaker demands for city be saved from the financial brink because it supported obama and last month election. also, bob costas offered a clarification of sorts on his controversial comments about america's gun culture and a murder suicide involving an nfl player. he is not backing down. we will look at where this argument goes coming out. one of the country's largest teachers unions is now coming under fire for using what one person called vicious and vile warfare to discuss the virtues of taxing the rich. we will play the video and debate what kind of message this ascending. >> the 1% said don't worry, this is good for you because it will trickle down from us to you. someday you will be rich and someday you will be rich and these rules will be your rules too. fancy water. i've gotine grams of protein. that's three times more than me! [ female announcer ] ensure clear. nine grams protein. zero fat. in blueberry/pomegranate and peach. is efficiently absorbed in small continuous amoun
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well and they think the president won re-election for a reason. the speaker said this was a status quo election and the republicans still control the house of representatives. >> eamon javers thanks very much. let's talk some more about this republican counter offer and the white house reaction. we have democratic strategist-- okay. steve, i go to you because i read the white house reaction to this, and really all they talked about was raising the top tax rates. they had no other things to say, no commendations, no i want to work with you. steve, i know this stuff is not going to be perfect. there's going to be stuff in here that conservatives, supply siders myself won't like. but why does the white house have to obsess about higher tax rates to the exclusion of other parts like entitlement reform and spending cuts? why is this? >> larry, i don't think they are obsessed with higher tax rates they are obsessed with protecting the middle class. john boehner's proposal includes $800 billion in revenue but doesn't specific where it comes from. barack obama has been specific in his plan and
, despite the fear, it's not going to change one election here in the senate. it's not going to decide one of the primaries that i fear are distorting the politics of our country. but you know what, mr. president? it will decide whether some people live or die in another country, where there is no accountability and only united states values and standards are the difference to the prospects of someone with a disability. in some countries, children are disposed of, killed because they have a disability. our treaty can actually help prevent that. in some countries, children do not get to go to school and certainly have no prospects of a future simply because they are born with a disability. this treaty will help offer hope where there is none. the united states could actually sit at the table and make the difference for people with disabilities because we're willing to push our values and hold other nations accountable to meet our standards, the gold standard of the americans with disabilities act. mr. president, i'd ask just for another three minutes, please. the presiding officer: without
's ideology. the president one the elect, he says he won it on taxing the rich. he want to win the debate. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely different story. this is a political and ideological argument and we'll see who wins. martha: there is a couple ways this could go. one is to land in the middle. you have $800 billion and $1.6 trillion. the other is for one side to say no deal. we'll let you go over the fiscal cliff and we'll see what happens. >> reporter: at the last minute i think there will be a deal. i think republicans will retreat and say okay, you can have higher tax rates but only on people making a half million dollars a year. the president will say, okay, but we'll only discuss -- we'll think about, we'll promise spending cuts in the future. it will be a way of kicking the can down the road. martha: charles krauthammer have a will the more leverage than republicans realize. the president does not want us to go into a recession. we'll talk about that coming up. bill: democrats are all about tax hike and republicans argue massive spending programs
type of constitution in which the people can have a say in electing their government. and where the countries then are put on a more stable footing. because once that goes, then what? so this is fantastically difficult. once you lift the lid off these very repressive regimes and out comes all this religious and tribal tension, we have to find a way to stabilizing the situation and bring the bloodshed to an end. >> elsewhere in the region, egypt right now, we're seeing these protesters, these anti-mohammed morsi protesters moving closer and closer towards the presidential pass palace in cairo. they're concerned about what morsi is doing as far as democracy in egypt. how worried are you about the situation in egypt? >> i think egypt is key to the region, so the answer is, you've got to be extremely worried when you see instability affecting egypt. this is, again, the birth pangs of proper democracy in some ways, but this struggle is immensely important. obviously what's important in these countries where they've moved to a democratic system is that there is a clear understanding t
right after the election was the speaker who went down and provided the revenue that's something you had not heard of before. when has this president offered any of the spending cuts? i think that's where the holdup is. >> it all started with the president putting an offer on the table late last week then speaker boehner last night so you would expect a counter offer to the counter offer from the white house. nope. inside the white house they are saying they don't take boehner's plan seriously enough to each do some sort of a counter offer. that's where we are tonight. neither side wants to put a new plan on the table. they are making progress right now. >> shepard: ed henry at the white house. the president may reach across the party line. former republic senator chuck killing a is on the short list to replace leon pa net attachment the nomination will come in the next two weeks along with the president's pick for secretary of state. on that matter the u.n. ambassador susan rice is considered a likely choice to replace secretary clinton. today president obama expressed confidence in her
'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. g.o.p. and post election blues. that's the subject of this evening's talking points memo many believe the president has the upper hand in the fiscal cliff negotiations. if we gopher 00 cliff republicans think they will get most of the blame. if they give in to tax hikes conservatives believe they will infuriate their base. senator rand paul even believes that since they have such little leverage in the talks of president obama. well, republicans should just get out of the way and let the democrats raise taxes as much as they want. and then let the president take responsibility for party of high taxes. now can i understand senator paul's thinking especially given the fact that the president has already announced ahead of his mano a mano meeting can john boehner that he won't concede an inch on tax cuts. this republican defeatism news broke of jim demint's departure from the senate yesterday. is he a tea party warrior and demint is a hero to part of the g.o.p.'s 2010 midterm route. now he is off to head off a think tank the heritage foundation. let's f
politicians do. the republicans lost the election. they know they're going to have to raise revenues. but i think the over-hyping of deficits the deficit mania that seized this town, is kind of crazy. i mean, i love alan simpson and erskine bowles, but they're talking about inflation at a moment when people are paying us money to invest in our treasury bonds. you know, the summer before last, when we had the debt ceiling negotiations, and everybody was saying oh, our credit is about to go down the tubes. the price of u.s. treasury bonds were going up. so the fact is that we have a problem. i'm hoping that we'll deal with it especially, you know, the old age entitlementes, because sooner or later you and i are going to be old enough to qualify for medicare, and we're going to at the present time to be a good system. but we i think a little rationality is called for. >> schieffer: you're saying it's not as bad as it seems. the fact of the matter swhen the bush tax cuts run out at the end of the year, when payroll tax-- whatever they call it, runs out at the end of the year, people's taxes are
and he will hurt the economy a lot. >> he has a man date beginlet fact he won the election and he he has the green light to move forward on >> he didn't get 51 percent of the vote to be honest. he got the same amount as george bush and he didn't have a mandate. look at ronald reader who got 59 percent . cool ridge and nixon who got 60 percent. the republicans control the house and governor ships and they control the state legislator. he's just pushing his power throughout and will damage the economy unfortunately. >> a lot of conservatives are angry with the speaker. because they believe hae giving in too fast over the issue much tax and there is it a lolt of discussion going on in the party about what it is it that the gop stands for. >> yeah. it is it one of the problems when you have the house of representative. there are 435 members of the house of representative and they reach one thinks of themselves as knowledgeable persons . to get them to operate in a coordinated fashion is difficult like herding cats . you need to have it act as one voice . would love to see the republicans vot
in 1992, on election day day itself, it was jack kemp who is talking about 1996. we were watching that campaign. last night was the second annual awards in his name. the first award dinner went to paul ryan last year, and this year, the recipient must marco rubio. from the outset, both of these guys mentioned seeing each other on the campaign trail over the course of the last year. marco rubio held over 80 rally events and they expect to see each other in the early voting states. >> i will see you at the reunion. dinner, table for two. [laughter] >> thank you for your invitation for lunch in iowa and new hampshire, but i will not stand by and watch the people of south carolina ignored. [laughter] greg: south carolina voted third in the nominating process. both of them obviously joking about it. marco rubio has visited ohio and iowa since the election day. it is on. jenna: either you are to have a couple of diners that you could recommend if they are looking for referrals. there is so much talk about the future of the gop. we just talked about it with governor rick perry. as folks
in tax hikes and then once re-elected he doubled it. even if he gets that higher amount, we did some calculations, that is only going to pay for about 16 days of government spending. aren't taxes insignificant compared to entitlement reform which you and i were talking about, president obama promised he would tackle it in his first term? >> entitlement vessel basically everything which is another reason going off the cliff in the long term is not going to be that beneficial. there is nothing in the peelts for going off the cliff that address our long term entitlement problems. you still have that problem. >> gregg: i apologize you. we have breaking news we have to get to. jamie weinstein, thanks. >> heather: news conference going on in irving, texas where the police department is talking about a car accident that has left one dallas cowboys teammate dead and another behind bars. let's listen. >> okay. the irving police department is investigating a single fatality accident involving two dallas cowboy football players. at approximately 2:21 this morning, joshua brent was traveling wes
power status. >> this president just won a big election and you would think that he would want to lead. >> we've had the election. the president was clear in the campaign that he was advocating and fighting for the middle income tax cuts. >> tax cuts. the whole premise of tax cuts is going to be blamed for all of this economic mess. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking, christmas it coming, the goose is getting fat. in many homes across america, it's a very, very lean time. >> the reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> greta: with us is co-host of the five, greg gutfeld. he has a new book out, the joy of hate. he's been on a road trip having a book tour, so he has been talking to lots of people and they have been talking to him. so we want to know. are americans frustrated by the way government is not working, or, greg, are do they think the government is working. >> i've got to tell you. this was the best week of my life. i've never met so many generous, happy people. these
assad's regime by creating a joint leadership. the new group consists of a 30-member elected council and in a move that could mean support from the west, two of the most extreme fighting groups in syria were not invited to the meeting in turkey. . >>> and now to fox 5 follow-up. pressure is mounting in london for two australian radio hosts to be removed from the air, this after a nurse who was tricked by the hosts' prank call committed suicide. jacintha saldanha was found near the hospital on friday. friends and family believe it was from stress of the call. the station's chief executive says while they are devastated about the news, they did nothing, quote, illegal. >> this is a tragic event. these people are human beings. we are all affected by this. there is no straightforward answer to your question. we will make sure that their well-being is the priority for us. >> the duke and duchess of cambridge say they are, quote, deeply saddened about the nurse's death. a palace spokesman said there were never any complaints to the hospital about the call. >>> the man accused of pushing an
can't be serious. we have 7 weeks went election and the end of the year and three those weeks have been wasted. bill: flabbergasted, rich. wasting time. three weeks gone by. >> well, yeah, i think this offer speaks more to a desire on the part of the white house to break and humiliate republicans than it does to have a serious negotiation. on the other hand way these things work. you can pretty much go to sleep until right at the end, then it's days before it's goark yaitd. but it wouldn't surprise me if we do go over the cliff. they should pass an extension of all these tax cuts, make it clear they want to keep them for everyone including have much for the middle class. john boehner should say we passed this out of the house. let's see harry reid and the democrats pass this out of the senate. bill: i get the impression both sides are miles apart from the deal. and i'm told by smart people i'm dead wrong on that. are you of mind a or mind b, rich? >> i don't think there is a deal sitting there. i think they would have to sit down and negotiate it. bill: kirsten before you address r
's suggestion that these are really big issues and very big decisions that should be made by our elected representatives in the senate and in the house. i'm not sure i like this idea that the president and the house majority leader, a republican, get to meet behind closed doors and get to make enormous fiscal decisions just between the two of them. >> do you think more would get done if they did this in front of the cameras? >> i actually think it should be one extreme or the other. they should either lock them behind closed doors until they get something done, let them hash it out, and then come out and announce the deal that we're not going to go over the fiscal cliff, or put everything on television. because i don't think i thought i would ever say this, but i do agree with grover nordqvist that this could give a hint about what each party is doing and who they are protecting. i think the democrats and the president would come out looking good on this, because from the very beginning they have said that they want to protect the middle class, extending middle class tax cuts. frankly, t
and new year's, and that's what the american people want. they are elected to govern and that's part of the job. >> do you agree with chip that it will be a temporary fix? >> i don't know. >> it will just take us into the new year, or will they do a grand bargain here? >> well, i think you could get a grand bargain, but i think you can't do the kind of detailed work that has got to be done. as the president said entitlement programs are on the table. if you want to have a serious study you will not get that done before christmas. a lot of the tough work about how we are going to reduce spending and we agree we have to reduce spending will go into next year. i think there could be significant work that gets done. >> i will give you the last word, a couple second. >> i hope so. i wish we all have a merry christmas. congress will do what congress does best which is kick the can down a couple more months. >> the best holiday wishes to you and your family. thank you for joining us. and for much more on the fiscal cliff on fox news sunday chris wallace will sit down in an exclusive intervi
their positions, and to basically refuse to take yes for an answer. the republicans immediately after the election said, we are going to give on this revenue thing, we're going to have to raise revenues, the question is how are we going to do it? and the obama administration almost like a character from "seinfeld" said we are going to do this out of spite and said we are going to have to raise the rates rather than do this loophole closing thing and all of the rest. the problem with that is that presidents get very few do officer, one ever the few that they get is right after an election they can change the tone, they can sort of start over and instead of doing that and trying to figure out how to fulfill this promise that obama has always made about being bipartisan he's decided just to sort of do the same thing he did with the stimulus, which is to try to steam roll the republicans, to crush them, to placate his base, and it has the potential to create another four years of partisan whommer and tong fighting in washington. jon: i wanted to get your reaction to what the treasury secretary had to
for the introduction. last week at the right house, we had our first meeting since the election. it was a chance for me to banks -- thank my entire team for their service for keeping the country safe and strong. few have done more than you in that regard. that includes taking care of our remarkable men and women in uniform and their families. keeping our military the best in the world bar none. thank you for being such an outstanding secretary of defense. [applause] i am not here to give a big speech. i wanted to come by and join you in marking the 20th anniversary of one of the country's smartest and most successful national security programs. people in this room conceived it and build it. i want to a knowledge a leader who now helps guide the secretary of defense. thank you for your great work. [applause] you have to think about what real visionaries do. you look at the world and see what is missing. they set out to fill the gap. to build something new. to imagine after decades of confrontation how our nations might engage in cooperation. early in the cold war, einstein warned of the danger of our wi
-sex marriage should be legal. 46% say illegal. and on election day, voters in three states approved same-sex marriage. "outfront," mckay coppins, tim carney and maria cardona, cnn contributor and democratic strategist. this is kind of big news in all of this. tim, you saw the polls. now the supreme court will get involved in this. should this signal something to the republican party? should they say it's reached this level, we need to rethink our position on this? >> polls are one thing. there's also the fact most states don't have gay marriage yet and most of those that do, it was not put in by the will of the people. i'm a marylander. we did -- our state did vote for gay marriage. most of them had to do with judges ruling. if the supreme court does for gay marriage what it did for abortion and roe v. wade and said, no, this is not in the hands of the people. we're going to say there's gay marriage, that would do a lot to fire up the republican base and could turn this issue on its head and it could become a big winner for republicans because they'd feel disenfranchised. >> what about t
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